Policy Debate on the Encrypted Internet and Lawful Access

July 22, 2020 3:00 pm to 4:15 pm


For more information and to register visit: https://www.igfusa.us/policy-debate-on-the-encrypted-internet-and-lawful-access/

During this session two teams on opposite sides of the issue will debate the following motion.

Resolved: the government should require ISPs and apps to enable lawful access to data in transit that is protected by end-to-end encryption.

The session will be structured in five parts:
  • moderator introduces the topic and share the motion
  • each side provides opening remarks (6 minutes per speaker)
  • discussion and debate between debaters
  • question & answer with audience
  • each side provides closing remarks (2 minutes per speaker)

Host & Moderator

Herb Lin
Senior Research Scholar, CISAC and Research Fellow, Hoover Institution at Stanford University

For the Motion
Stewart A. Baker
Steptoe & Johnson
Stewart Baker practices law at Steptoe & Johnson in Washington, D.C. His law practice covers matters such as homeland security, cybersecurity, and data protection. He is the author of Skating on Stilts: Why We Aren’t Stopping Tomorrow’s Terrorism, and he hosts the weekly Cyberlaw Podcast . From 2005 to 2009, Mr. Baker was the first Assistant Secretary for Policy at the Department of Homeland Security. During 2004 and 2005, Mr. Baker served as General Counsel of the WMD Commission investigating intelligence failures prior to the Iraq war. From 1992 to 1994, Mr. Baker was General Counsel of the National Security Agency, where he led NSA and interagency efforts to reform commercial encryption and computer security law and policy. In 1977-78, he was a law clerk to Hon. John Paul Stevens, U.S. Supreme Court. He has been awarded one patent
Darrin E. Jones
Executive Assistant Director, Information Technology Infrastructure Division, FBI
Director Christopher Wray has named Darrin E. Jones as the executive assistant director of the Science and Technology Branch at FBI Headquarters in Washington. Mr. Jones most recently served as the assistant director of the Information Technology Infrastructure Division. As EAD, Mr. Jones oversees the Criminal Justice Information Services, Laboratory, and Operational Technology Divisions. Mr. Jones began his FBI career in 1997 as a special agent in the Salt Lake City Field Office, where he investigated international drug trafficking and cybercrime, and helped lead the counterterrorism planning for the 2002 Olympics. In 2003, he was promoted to supervisor and served as a congressional liaison in the Office of Congressional Affairs at Headquarters. In 2005, Mr. Jones became a supervisor in the Operational Technology Division at Quantico, Virginia. He moved to the Albuquerque Field Office in 2007 as the cyber program supervisor, managing criminal cyber cases and national security intrusion investigations. In 2009, he coordinated the construction of the New Mexico Regional Computer Forensic Laboratory, the FBI’s 16th such facility. He also served as director of the lab, which provides digital forensics services to the law enforcement and national security communities. In 2011, Mr. Jones was promoted to assistant special agent in charge of the Anchorage Field Office. He returned to FBI Headquarters in 2013 as a section chief in the Operational Technology Division, overseeing technical and policy matters associated with electronic communication interception. He was named special agent in charge of the Kansas City Field Office in Missouri in March 2017. Director Wray named Mr. Jones as the assistant director of the Information Technology Infrastructure Division in 2019. Mr. Jones earned a bachelor’s degree from the University of Nebraska. In 2018, Mr. Jones earned an advanced certification in Information Security from Carnegie Mellon University.
Against the Motion
Susan Landau
Bridge Professor in Cyber Security and Policy at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy and the School of Engineering, Department of Computer Science, Tufts University
Susan Landau is Bridge Professor in Cyber Security and Policy at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy and the School of Engineering, Department of Computer Science, Tufts University, and Visiting Professor, Department of Computer Science, University College London. Landau works at the intersection of cybersecurity, national security, law, and policy. She has published three books, the most recent of which, Listening In: Cybersecurity in an Insecure Age, came about because of her Congressional testimony in the Apple/FBI case. Landau has frequently briefed US and European policymakers on encryption, surveillance, and cybersecurity issues. She has been a Senior Staff Privacy Analyst at Google, a Distinguished Engineer at Sun Microsystems, and a faculty member at Worcester Polytechnic Institute, the University of Massachusetts Amherst and Wesleyan University. She is a member of the Cybersecurity Hall of Fame and of the Information System Security Hall of Fame, and is a fellow of the American Association for the Advancement of Science and of the Association for Computing Machinery, as well as having been a Guggenheim and Radcliffe Fellow.
Riana Pfefferkorn
Associate Director of Surveillance and Cybersecurity at the Stanford Center for Internet and Society
Riana Pfefferkorn is the Associate Director of Surveillance and Cybersecurity at the Stanford Center for Internet and Society. Her work focuses on investigating and analyzing the U.S. government's policy and practices for forcing decryption and/or influencing crypto-related design of online platforms and services, devices, and products, both via technical means and through the courts and legislatures. Riana also researches the benefits and detriments of strong encryption on free expression, political engagement, economic development, and other public interests. Prior to joining Stanford, Riana was an associate in the Internet Strategy & Litigation group at the law firm of Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati, where she worked on litigation and counseling matters involving online privacy, Internet intermediary liability, consumer protection, copyright, trademark, and trade secrets and was actively involved in the firm's pro bono program. Before that, Riana clerked for the Honorable Bruce J. McGiverin of the U.S. District Court for the District of Puerto Rico. She also interned during law school for the Honorable Stephen Reinhardt of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit. Riana earned her law degree from the University of Washington School of Law and her undergraduate degree from Whitman College.


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